Curse

leprekan · Dec 06, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

No storage upgrade in 19 months? The materials storage doesnt count? I love how whiners like you like to conveniantly forget the good things out when they complain.

Yes I would LOVE to have more storage. But to demand it as if it were your god given right to have more storage is immature and unreasonable. As someone pointed out, all MMOs have storage issues. People will always want more storage.

Extra storage is NOT a core issue, it's just something people WANT and not a game breaking issue.

When people are still asking for storage and a means to sell and group after 19 months ... it isnt a whine. Calling me a whiner? If I return fire with a fanboi comment I would get a ban GG for things being fair. Anet sends EVERYONE to sites like this to list their issues ... it would be nice if we were allowed to do it. When the same things are asked for repeatedly ... they are CORE ISSUES. 3 chapters of stuff and countless fluff items given by Anet does tend to make storage a real issue. The material storage upgrade while appreciated didn't help much since it can't even hold enough for an armor set.

shardfenix · Dec 06, 2006, 09:52 PM // 21:52

Guild Wars is always the most fun when you start playing. Just yesterday I had a newbie ask me newbie questions, which I happily answered as he told me how much fun he's having so far.

Once you play through PvE and get into PvP, however, this is where many players quit the game. PvP is literally FULL of builds that a monkey can win with because they are overpowered and easy to play. Searing Flames comes to mind. There I was GvGing with a good guild with good players, and what do we face? 6 eles that steamroll us within minutes. When you do 119 damage per second + burning to an area wide range of foes, it's hard ont to win. This is just one example, and when you start pvping, you will see other builds or new builds that have a similar strategy: Spam thoughtless skills, win.

Batou of Nine · Dec 06, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

A complaint thread, complaining about complainers.

This ain't gonna get anyone anywhere. As someone said:

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

Enjoy what you enjoy and dont let others ruin your fun.

... the game that is.

Don't like the complaint threads? Then don't read them? That's what i do. hehe.

cheers!

Loviatar · Dec 06, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by leprekan

When people are still asking for storage and a means to sell and group after 19 months ... it isnt a whine.

there will not ever be an auction house but we will see more *traders* to bring prices down lower so the common, casual player can afford the nice stuff and have fun.

think i am kidding?

look at all the posts saying if it is not *perfect* or *near perfect* it is not going to sell.

the only people helped by an auction house are farmbots (human or otherwise) who would suddenly be given a place to auto sell their high end stuff while getting extra farming time.

do you think ANET is going to give the goldsellers a helping hand?

i dont think so

leprekan · Dec 06, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

there will not ever be an auction house but we will see more *traders* to bring prices down lower so the common, casual player can afford the nice stuff and have fun.

think i am kidding?

look at all the posts saying if it is not *perfect* or *near perfect* it is not going to sell.

the only people helped by an auction house are farmbots (human or otherwise) who would suddenly be given a place to auto sell their high end stuff while getting extra farming time.

do you think ANET is going to give the goldsellers a helping hand?

i dont think so

I know they won't. Anet's Jihad against the "Chinese farmer" hurts the player base and will eventually hurt their own bottom line.

Loviator you are the original mold for the casual player (no offense). Those of us that spend our time playing the game would be helped by an auction house so we could actually play instead of spam WTS. People need to get a clue ... "farmbots" are sweatshop workers not computer code. Until Anet decides to solve world hunger and poverty they will always be in every game.

Loviatar · Dec 06, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by leprekan

I know they won't. Anet's Jihad against the "Chinese farmer" hurts the player base and will eventually hurt their own bottom line.

Loviator you are the original mold for the casual player (no offense). Those of us that spend our time playing the game would be helped by an auction house so we could actually play instead of spam WTS. People need to get a clue ... "farmbots" are sweatshop workers not computer code. Until Anet decides to solve world hunger and poverty they will always be in every game.

no offence taken.

i just checked my hours and by most standards play too much at 1229 huors over 19 months.

i have never bought/sold an item to another person.

everything i have/am using came from my own salvage/crafters

i even have (and still like) my first set of Drok armor.

i will be giving to a friend for distribution to his guild members a bunch of gold/green i dont need or need the gold for.

i have everything i need/want so i give the rest away.

and yes i have a healthy gold balance that i never use

i play for fun and only if, as, and i dont have a book to read, a friend over, and it is time to renew my ham licence again.

leprekan · Dec 06, 2006, 10:45 PM // 22:45

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

no offence taken.

i just checked my hours and by most standards play too much at 1229 huors over 19 months.

i have never bought/sold an item to another person.

everything i have/am using came from my own salvage/crafters

i even have (and still like) my first set of Drok armor.

i will be giving to a friend for distribution to his guild members a bunch of gold/green i dont need or need the gold for.

i have everything i need/want so i give the rest away.

and yes i have a healthy gold balance that i never use

i play for fun and only if, as, and i dont have a book to read, a friend over, and it is time to renew my ham licence again.

I have about 5 times the hours logged. We are at opposite ends of the spectrum and our post counts reflect it. Point being ... storage and auction etc will have less of an impact on a casual gamer such as yourself than it will those that actually play the game.

Jetdoc · Dec 06, 2006, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by MSecorsky

I no longer have a cat.

I was playing. I was hungry and not paying attention. The cat got too close.

What was this thread about again...

This made me chuckle...

Shmanka · Dec 06, 2006, 11:03 PM // 23:03

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Originally Posted by leprekan

When people are still asking for storage and a means to sell and group after 19 months ... it isnt a whine. Calling me a whiner? If I return fire with a fanboi comment I would get a ban GG for things being fair. Anet sends EVERYONE to sites like this to list their issues ... it would be nice if we were allowed to do it. When the same things are asked for repeatedly ... they are CORE ISSUES. 3 chapters of stuff and countless fluff items given by Anet does tend to make storage a real issue. The material storage upgrade while appreciated didn't help much since it can't even hold enough for an armor set.

I completely agree, how is it expected for say a warrior class, to carry one of each weapon(Axe,Sword,Hammer) of any kind, Helms for those attributes, shields, armor sets, Keys, hunters ale

, Identification kit, Salvage Kit etc etc.

This is one class ladies and gentlemen, think about spellcasters, they have way more to carry, offhands/wands.

Yet Anet gives us how many spaces to work with? Why have so many items with different purposes and no way to deal with them storage wise?

I think this needs to be done. A whole new storage system.

Primarily-10 Slots with the Xunlai Agent, for each character in the account.

Second-The material storage does not have a 250 limit, but perhaps 1000.

Third-Key Rings(for keys, 250 per is fine here imo)

Fourth-Tomes basically built for runes. ex. minor runes take 1 page each, major taking up 2 pages, superior runes take 3 pages. 100-200 page tomes or what have you.

Weapon Rack- Im not entirely sure how I would organize this, but I have my 2 bags filled on my warrior with various weapons+shields. I would like to see those 2 bags empty again (or perhaps a superior rune of storage. Like I said I'm not entirely sure, but it definitely sucks that I can't take 20 more items in FoW cause my storage was filled I had no place to put my excess equipment).

I may not have a high post count, but I have a brain that does basic math. Anet needs to fix this. This isn't just a complaint, it's a problem.

The Ernada · Dec 06, 2006, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by leprekan

When people are still asking for storage and a means to sell and group after 19 months ... it isnt a whine. Calling me a whiner? If I return fire with a fanboi comment I would get a ban GG for things being fair. Anet sends EVERYONE to sites like this to list their issues ... it would be nice if we were allowed to do it. When the same things are asked for repeatedly ... they are CORE ISSUES. 3 chapters of stuff and countless fluff items given by Anet does tend to make storage a real issue. The material storage upgrade while appreciated didn't help much since it can't even hold enough for an armor set.

Just because people constantly nag for things doesnt make it a legitimate request. There are people constantly asking for the level cap to be raised. Does that make it a legitimate request too? Does it make it a "Core" issue? No.

As I said before, I dont oppose the idea of having more storage or even asking for it. But the way you're doing it as if it's your entitlement rubs me the wrong way. You yell at ANET for not listening and not caring about it's players and for what? Some silly extras such as storage?

You complain that ANET is giving us fluff? Well guess what? Extra storage is considered fluff too. Hardly a gamebreaking core issue.

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

I completely agree, how is it expected for say a warrior class, to carry one of each weapon(Axe,Sword,Hammer) of any kind, Helms for those attributes, shields, armor sets, Keys, hunters ale

, Identification kit, Salvage Kit etc etc.

I can't tell if you're joking. But if you're complaining that you dont have enough storage because you're saving up all sort of junk, is it really Anet's fault for not providing enough storage? I'm a pretty big packrat myself, but I'm also reasonable enough to know that I can't save EVERYTHING. If I'm that desperate for storage, I'll buy a character slot.

The Mad Man · Dec 06, 2006, 11:11 PM // 23:11

well its just like i like to say....you can do 50 things right and one thing wrong. People will remember you for that one thing you did wrong. Just like people pointing out bad things and not the good. Or great. Or better.

Loviatar · Dec 06, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by leprekan

I have about 5 times the hours logged. We are at opposite ends of the spectrum and our post counts reflect it. Point being ... storage and auction etc will have less of an impact on a casual gamer such as yourself than it will those that actually play the game.

agreed with one small but very important quibble as to placement on the curve (bell curve).

i think we agree that you and others like you are at one extreme end of the curve.

i think (and only ANET has the logs/percentages) that i hit fairly near the middle of their curve and not a small casual opposite pole buyer segment.

i can only guess this as most of the things that the hardcore yell about are a minor bother to me or actual unnoticable.

i do miss dropping repeat firestorms on mobs but i found even quicker ways to kill them.

chapter 4 i think will give a more definite pointer as they find their footing/target buyer

we can only wait a few more months to see how it develops

leprekan · Dec 06, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Just because people constantly nag for things doesnt make it a legitimate request. There are people constantly asking for the level cap to be raised. Does that make it a legitimate request too? Does it make it a "Core" issue? No.

As I said before, I dont oppose the idea of having more storage or even asking for it. But the way you're doing it as if it's your entitlement rubs me the wrong way. You yell at ANET for not listening and not caring about it's players and for what? Some silly extras such as storage?

You complain that ANET is giving us fluff? Well guess what? Extra storage is considered fluff too. Hardly a gamebreaking core issue.

I can't tell if you're joking. But if you're complaining that you dont have enough storage because you're saving up all sort of junk, is it really Anet's fault for not providing enough storage? I'm a pretty big packrat myself, but I'm also reasonable enough to know that I can't save EVERYTHING. If I'm that desperate for storage, I'll buy a character slot.

LOL.

Please feel free to read my post again. I yell at Anet? Care to point out where? You win ... I don't waste my time debating 19 year olds on the Internet.

Shmanka · Dec 06, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

I can't tell if you're joking. But if you're complaining that you dont have enough storage because you're saving up all sort of junk, is it really Anet's fault for not providing enough storage? I'm a pretty big packrat myself, but I'm also reasonable enough to know that I can't save EVERYTHING. If I'm that desperate for storage, I'll buy a character slot.

Your probably the kind of person that only has his elementalist use fire magic, then when the time comes to use water you can't deal. Why would I need to purchase an entire character slot to store my extra helms+customized weapons? I don't see any reasonable justification, just a statement without facts.

Of course you can't save "everything" so what do you suggest? I make a new whole warrior, make him have "People Know Me(2)" just like that? Make him have 1200+hours alone>? Make it have 5Million+ Experience? Just so I can have a hammer warrior? I don't have 1000+ ecto, but people somehow do. I have a problem with storage though and I have 13 character slots. I keep a weapon of each kind, my elementalist has ONE STAFF of each magic, ONE headpiece of each magic, etc. Yet I have a storage problem if we go into FoW and not gain access to the forge as the first quest in. I would really like to see your actual justification on this. All you did was state I store "junk" yet that "junk" helps me through PvE and PvP in specific area's+locations, not to mention situations. Monks don't carry shields to "look cool" they prevent damage, which is more important in a situation then having energy. You either have 5 hours playing the game, or took 5 seconds looking at the first sentence of my post and attempted to "look cool".

The Ernada · Dec 06, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by leprekan

LOL.

Please feel free to read my post again. I yell at Anet? Care to point out where? You win ... I don't waste my time debating 19 year olds on the Internet.

Sure. When losing a debate pull the age card so you'll "appear" to be wiser and older and therefore always correct. And by the way, you are so way off....

But I'll say it again. Storage and Auction House is not a huge issue. All this yelling about it being a core issue is ridiculous. It would be NICE to have them and so what if they never get put in? The rest of the game is great enough to survive without them.

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

Your probably the kind of person that only has his elementalist use fire magic, then when the time comes to use water you can't deal. Why would I need to purchase an entire character slot to store my extra helms+customized weapons? I don't see any reasonable justification, just a statement without facts.

Umm what? You talk about me making a statement without facts and yet you start off with that childish piece of speculation?

So you're complaining that it's ANET's fault for not providing storage for you since you have a weapon of every kind, armor of each attribute and etc etc? You want it all and that's ANET's fault for not providing enough storage?

Shmanka · Dec 06, 2006, 11:33 PM // 23:33

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

Sure. When losing a debate pull the age card so you'll "appear" to be wiser and older and therefore always correct. And by the way, you are so way off....

leprekan, mind if I jump in that bandwagon with you?

Either way trailing to the original comments, there are complainer's then people with justification. I may entirely not be 100% correct. Although I've done something maybe 5% of this entire board does. Attempt to justify their reasons. If everyone did that, you probably wouldn't need half the moderators we do now. Why? Well first off it can be determined if the suggestion is valid or not. Taking out ALOT of useless posts. Next it would save alot of time, letting people understand what topics are actually being debated and not turning into flame. Like someone said ealier along the lines of it just being human nature. That's a cause you can say, but also shows how little self control that person has. If I could somehow sig this ~haven't found out how yet on a school pc~
This would be it:

The Rules of Posting:
1. Read every post
2. Think
3. Think Again
4. Type it
5. Read it
6. Think Again
7. Submit

You represent your guild in this forum, the people who recruited you and enjoy playing the game with you. Don't make them look like retards as well.

PS Ernada... it's time to make a new account

Njaiguni Blaze · Dec 06, 2006, 11:45 PM // 23:45

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Originally Posted by leprekan

I have about 5 times the hours logged.

5x1229=6145
6145 hours= about 256 days
19 months is about 580 days
so you spend bout half of your day playing GW?
:O that's sick

Shmanka · Dec 06, 2006, 11:55 PM // 23:55

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Originally Posted by Njaiguni Blaze

5x1229=6145
6145 hours= about 256 days
19 months is about 580 days
so you spend bout half of your day playing GW?
:O that's sick

AB ftw, so horrible but addicting.

Joking aside that gives him alot more justification. I have about 2,500hrs in about 10 months. Yea my summer was definitely having too much fun, and then not sleeping cause of this game.

Ernada you definitely haven't answered my question, what do you honestly expect? with over now 100 unique green items, and im going to approximate 20 different armors. You think that 50 slots in character storage is more then justifyable. You need to give an actual explanation.

I have shown my explanations, and a system I would suggest Anet to look at when it comes to storage. It definitely should not be harsh on the servers, or difficult to program. It's clean, simple, just like how the game should evolve. Also note simple does not mean "no detail/flavour" it means easy to follow, and have a straight forward concrete understanding. People won't look at the "tomes" and panic not knowing wtf is going on.

The Ernada · Dec 07, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

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Originally Posted by Shmanka

Ernada you definitely haven't answered my question, what do you honestly expect? with over now 100 unique green items, and im going to approximate 20 different armors. You think that 50 slots in character storage is more then justifyable. You need to give an actual explanation.

No. The burden of justification of keeping every single weapon and armor is on you. You dont NEED every freaking armor set and every weapon out there. YOU should be the only giving an explaination why you deserve storage to store all of that.

Shmanka · Dec 07, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

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Originally Posted by The Ernada

No. The burden of justification of keeping every single weapon and armor is on you. You dont NEED every freaking armor set and every weapon out there. YOU should be the only giving an explaination why you deserve storage to store all of that.

I need a hammer to use hammer skills, I need a sword to use sword skills, I need an axe to use axe skills. I need a hammer helm to correspond with the weapon and the skills, I need a sword helm to correspond with the weapon and sword skills, I need an axe to correspond with the weapon and axe skills.

I need gladiators for extra energy for running, and other specific builds in pvp and pve. I need dreadnoughts for extra armor for absorbing damage, and other specific builds in pvp and pve.

I need an Identification kit to Identify my gold items, I need a salvage kit to take out modifications of items I find and plan on using.

I need specific shields depending on my build in pve and pvp, whether it be enchanted, stance, random chance, or stationary bonus'.

I need keys in specific area's to open chests, so I can add a count to my titles in order to enhance the chance of myself keeping an item and salvaging the modification out.

If I do not have sufficient room for this I fail to compete in pve for multiple reasons.

First, I cannot go into what is subnamed a "pug group" and expect the same trust as I would otherwise in elite mission areas if my storage was filled with items I would like to sell for money.

Second, I am limited to the kinds of weapons I am available to use.

Third, I would be forced to purchase another character for simple items that have a purpose.

Fourth, If I cannot pick up an item that is reserved for myself in the amount of time given. I do not gain any profit from it, making that time playing the game null.

Fifth, If you cannot understand the posts I have done recently before, and this one here, seriously consider playing Snakes and Ladders for the rest of your life.

This is my final post on this topic, someone call an ambulance Ernada just got hit by a transport.